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	<description>Perspectives of an Entrepreneur from the Indian Startup Trenches.</description>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
		<link>http://www.vijayanand.name/2009/06/who-owns-your-company/comment-page-1/#comment-15020</link>
		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 05:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree.  Not all startups need massive funding.  Not all business is MACRO.  

I own and run my business.  100%  I wake up, work and answer to no one but myself.  My company even survives (and thrives) without the &#039;dreaded customer as your boss&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree.  Not all startups need massive funding.  Not all business is MACRO.  </p>
<p>I own and run my business.  100%  I wake up, work and answer to no one but myself.  My company even survives (and thrives) without the &#8216;dreaded customer as your boss&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashmi V</title>
		<link>http://www.vijayanand.name/2009/06/who-owns-your-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1584</link>
		<dc:creator>Rashmi V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Said.</p>
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		<title>By: The Case for Startups - The Prelude. &#124; Vijay Anand &#124; The Startup Guy.</title>
		<link>http://www.vijayanand.name/2009/06/who-owns-your-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1580</link>
		<dc:creator>The Case for Startups - The Prelude. &#124; Vijay Anand &#124; The Startup Guy.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Employment is a key value proposition of any government and referring to my previous article on who really owns a company, You can rest assured that the government will get involved and play its part to help. But the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Employment is a key value proposition of any government and referring to my previous article on who really owns a company, You can rest assured that the government will get involved and play its part to help. But the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vijay Anand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vijay Anand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SG: I&#039;d agree with you, if one can build a business without raising money from VCs, they should. Afterall less than 10% of companies manage to raise money from structured financial entities the rest do survive somehow - the stats were that only 16% of the fortune 500 companies have raised Venture Capital - so yep, one seriously must explore the other options out there.

Sridhar: You are talking about balance. I&#039;d agree. Most of the companies you mention of a) Did not raise funding b) Had established themselves that they had bargaining power. So My points still hold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SG: I&#8217;d agree with you, if one can build a business without raising money from VCs, they should. Afterall less than 10% of companies manage to raise money from structured financial entities the rest do survive somehow &#8211; the stats were that only 16% of the fortune 500 companies have raised Venture Capital &#8211; so yep, one seriously must explore the other options out there.</p>
<p>Sridhar: You are talking about balance. I&#8217;d agree. Most of the companies you mention of a) Did not raise funding b) Had established themselves that they had bargaining power. So My points still hold.</p>
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		<title>By: Sridhar Turaga</title>
		<link>http://www.vijayanand.name/2009/06/who-owns-your-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator>Sridhar Turaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sturaga

Great post. Cool new design for the site. 

Agree with everything except ... &quot;the only way to scale it is to give up control&quot; or &quot;entrepreneurs who want to own more than 50% of the company. Thats almost the sure way to kill the company&quot;

IKEA, WIPRO, WALMART, LINKEDIN, RIGHTNOW, CRAIGSLIST etc. (as far as I know) are examples of how the founders tried hard to retain control and majority ownership successfully ... to ensure they always retain the risk taking ability and freedom to only focus on the long term.

To the contrary I would argue ... raising VC captial some times creates artificial time frames to increase the valuation ... even when the market for the company may take longer. It&#039;s easy to draw up a spread sheet with expected 25% return p.a. then life moves at it&#039;s own pace !!

Equity investments are also like loans ... and the expected payback keeps growing ... even if it&#039;s on paper.

Not that I totally disagree with what u said ... but it&#039;s the ambiguity of AND that rules start ups ... 

One needs to accept that the business belongs to the investors &quot;AND&quot;  try and own it as your own as much as possible</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sturaga</p>
<p>Great post. Cool new design for the site. </p>
<p>Agree with everything except &#8230; &#8220;the only way to scale it is to give up control&#8221; or &#8220;entrepreneurs who want to own more than 50% of the company. Thats almost the sure way to kill the company&#8221;</p>
<p>IKEA, WIPRO, WALMART, LINKEDIN, RIGHTNOW, CRAIGSLIST etc. (as far as I know) are examples of how the founders tried hard to retain control and majority ownership successfully &#8230; to ensure they always retain the risk taking ability and freedom to only focus on the long term.</p>
<p>To the contrary I would argue &#8230; raising VC captial some times creates artificial time frames to increase the valuation &#8230; even when the market for the company may take longer. It&#8217;s easy to draw up a spread sheet with expected 25% return p.a. then life moves at it&#8217;s own pace !!</p>
<p>Equity investments are also like loans &#8230; and the expected payback keeps growing &#8230; even if it&#8217;s on paper.</p>
<p>Not that I totally disagree with what u said &#8230; but it&#8217;s the ambiguity of AND that rules start ups &#8230; </p>
<p>One needs to accept that the business belongs to the investors &#8220;AND&#8221;  try and own it as your own as much as possible</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noticed your post on venturewoods and a quick google led me your homepage.

If someone comes up to investors with just an idea on paper, then maybe yes, but to assume that that is the only way forward when taking an investment is stretching it too far.

There are a ton of ways for business owners to get what they want without giving what they don&#039;t want to give. Like bank debt is much cheaper in the long run and when someone is anyway betting the farm when starting up, why not risk bankruptcy too along the way ;-) There are other ways too if one is creative.

If only there was more energy spent on building solid foundations of businesses instead of focus on just ideas and investments. Maybe then more businesses will reach their goals without diluting again and again (your 2nd round comment above) to cover up for their failures.

Or do you think that investors really are that important and its an exception to be able to build businesses without them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noticed your post on venturewoods and a quick google led me your homepage.</p>
<p>If someone comes up to investors with just an idea on paper, then maybe yes, but to assume that that is the only way forward when taking an investment is stretching it too far.</p>
<p>There are a ton of ways for business owners to get what they want without giving what they don&#8217;t want to give. Like bank debt is much cheaper in the long run and when someone is anyway betting the farm when starting up, why not risk bankruptcy too along the way <img src='http://www.vijayanand.name/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  There are other ways too if one is creative.</p>
<p>If only there was more energy spent on building solid foundations of businesses instead of focus on just ideas and investments. Maybe then more businesses will reach their goals without diluting again and again (your 2nd round comment above) to cover up for their failures.</p>
<p>Or do you think that investors really are that important and its an exception to be able to build businesses without them?</p>
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		<title>By: vijay</title>
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		<dc:creator>vijay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kalpesh: I think 20% is a reasonable size, though it doesnt have to be, and in some cases could even be more.

Regarding voting rights: It has nothing to do with the laws of the land. A company is governed by its Bylaws and you can draft whatever you want within it following the guidelines set by the Corporate law. Its possible to do 10x voting rights in India too, but you see any company as explosive as google around? I doubt any investor would agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kalpesh: I think 20% is a reasonable size, though it doesnt have to be, and in some cases could even be more.</p>
<p>Regarding voting rights: It has nothing to do with the laws of the land. A company is governed by its Bylaws and you can draft whatever you want within it following the guidelines set by the Corporate law. Its possible to do 10x voting rights in India too, but you see any company as explosive as google around? I doubt any investor would agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Kalpesh Khivasara</title>
		<link>http://www.vijayanand.name/2009/06/who-owns-your-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1236</link>
		<dc:creator>Kalpesh Khivasara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification, Vijay. I didn&#039;t know ESOPs could account for 20 % of the total equity. Is this number high only for IT/web startups or is it a benchmark across industries? 

And about the Google founders&#039;10x voting rights stocks, do you think Indian laws would permit a similar stock here? Which founder wouldn&#039;t kill to have a 10x voting right stock!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification, Vijay. I didn&#8217;t know ESOPs could account for 20 % of the total equity. Is this number high only for IT/web startups or is it a benchmark across industries? </p>
<p>And about the Google founders&#8217;10x voting rights stocks, do you think Indian laws would permit a similar stock here? Which founder wouldn&#8217;t kill to have a 10x voting right stock!</p>
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		<title>By: vijay</title>
		<link>http://www.vijayanand.name/2009/06/who-owns-your-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1235</link>
		<dc:creator>vijay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Everyone: Thanks guys. I am glad this was useful. Will try to keep my posts - in the future - to the same measure.

@Kalpesh: I was expecting someone to pull out that line, and I&#039;m glad you did. 

a) You will easily give up 20 - 30% of the company when you raise your first round. Another 20% for ESOP and whats left is 50%. You will end up diluting that in your second round which is inevitable.

b) There are also scenarios like the google founders where they carry 10x votes. So even if they have 10% of the company, they almost have veto rights. But they had built a powerful company before the investors came onboard so they had the power to negotiate.

Hope that helps. In short, I dont think you can raise funds easily with a minority stake.

V.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Everyone: Thanks guys. I am glad this was useful. Will try to keep my posts &#8211; in the future &#8211; to the same measure.</p>
<p>@Kalpesh: I was expecting someone to pull out that line, and I&#8217;m glad you did. </p>
<p>a) You will easily give up 20 &#8211; 30% of the company when you raise your first round. Another 20% for ESOP and whats left is 50%. You will end up diluting that in your second round which is inevitable.</p>
<p>b) There are also scenarios like the google founders where they carry 10x votes. So even if they have 10% of the company, they almost have veto rights. But they had built a powerful company before the investors came onboard so they had the power to negotiate.</p>
<p>Hope that helps. In short, I dont think you can raise funds easily with a minority stake.</p>
<p>V.</p>
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		<title>By: Kalpesh Khivasara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kalpesh Khivasara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would disagree with the following statement of yours : &quot;I see and come across enough entrepreneurs who want to own more than 50% of the company. Thats almost the sure way to kill the company and strangle some relationships, because it shows that you haven’t gotten the first thing about a corporation right - you cant own it.&quot; 
Why can&#039;t an entrepreneur retain majority control in his company by raising funds after selling a minority stake?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would disagree with the following statement of yours : &#8220;I see and come across enough entrepreneurs who want to own more than 50% of the company. Thats almost the sure way to kill the company and strangle some relationships, because it shows that you haven’t gotten the first thing about a corporation right &#8211; you cant own it.&#8221;<br />
Why can&#8217;t an entrepreneur retain majority control in his company by raising funds after selling a minority stake?</p>
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